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		<title>Moving From Joseph Smith to Jesus:  How To Talk To Youth Group Students About Mormonism</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Zach</dc:creator>
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<p>In my previous church context the local Mormon youth group was killing it.  They had a strong youth program with solid students.  They had a well-established community and displayed remarkable character.  I was confused why a few of our students were so drawn to Mormonism and why the Mormon youth group was so effective.  I decided to do some research so I could figure out why the Mormon community was so attractive.  I was determined to find out why Mormons did better youth ministry than the Christians.</p>
<p><strong>This is what I found in my sociological Mormon youth group research:</strong></p>
<p>-  Mormon students really knew how to be inclusive, communal and still knew how to have fun without alcohol</p>
<p>-  Mormon students didn&#8217;t really know what the Mormon doctrine was really really about</p>
<p>-  Mormon students tended to confuse the Christian students about Jesus and the Bible</p>
<p>-  Mormon students exhibited a lot of great behaviors and were extremely nice</p>
<p>-  Some of my Christian students were ok with dating Mormon students</p>
<p>-  Mormon students were not afraid to share their faith</p>
<p>-  Mormon students were relentlessly inviting any type of student to their activities</p>
<p>-  All Mormon students we interacted with in our town had two parents who deeply cared, loved, and supported them</p>
<p>I concluded that the Mormon students were demonstrating more of Christ&#8217;s character than our youth group community was demonstrating.  This was a painful reality to admit, but it made sense to me.  <strong>If you have an accepting, loving group of people who practice what they preach, more people will want to be a part of it.  No hypocrisy, strong inclusive community, and character were the key ingredients that made the Mormon youth group so effective.  </strong></p>
<p>So I went back to the drawing board and started planning a strategy for how our youth group was going to address, equip and educate our youth group students about Mormonism.  Here was the strategy I came up with:</p>
<p><strong> (1)</strong>  <strong>I would constantly be communicating and demonstrating the high value of respect towards the book of Mormon and Mormonism. </strong> I intentionally wanted to show my students that we were not judging the Mormons, rather we were learning from them and respecting what they believe.  I really wanted to dispel the myth that Christians are closed minded and arrogantly judge other holy books.  I wanted to move towards treating other religious students (who had differing religious beliefs that Christians) with respect while still claiming Jesus as the way, the truth and the life.  There is a fundamental difference between respecting and accepting theology.  I worked very hard for our youth group not to judge the Mormon students as we educated and equipped our teens about Mormonism.</p>
<p><strong>(2)  Get students to move away from narrow-mindedness.</strong> I strove to make my students feel like they were learning about other religions, namely Mormonism without being closed minded.  Holding to Christianity as the ultimate truth is not narrow-mindedness.  Narrow-mindedness does not attach to what you believe, but how you believe it.  If our youth group refused to learn about any perspective, any religious book, or any philosophy which disagreed with the Christian doctrine &#8211; then that would be narrow-minded.  No matter what you believe there will always be opposition.  Learning about Mormonism was going to be a learning experience for everyone involved.</p>
<p><strong>(3)</strong>  <strong>I committed to visiting a few local Mormon temples.  </strong>During the weeks I made multiple stops at the local Mormon temples.  During these visits, I would see if I could gather literature, multiple books of Mormon, and sit down and talk with one of the elders.  I wanted to simply befriend other religious leaders in my community and learn.</p>
<p><strong>(4)  Teach on Mormonism and other holy books. </strong> I really wanted to show how Mormonism and Christianity are drastically different.  You can explore my post about how I addressed the other holy books <a href="http://www.reyouthpastor.com/theology/top-10-theological-questions-teens-asks-9/">here</a> and my teaching notes for how I talked about Mormonism <a href="http://www.reyouthpastor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/The-Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of-Latter.pdf">here</a>.  My goal was to get my students to critically and objectively think about how Mormonism and Christianity are not the same.  I wanted them to use their own brains to think.  I wanted them to process the information so they were able to have their own objective convictions about Christianity and Mormonism.  I did not want to see confusion in my students any longer.</p>
<p><strong>(5)</strong>  <strong>I decided to invite an Ex-Mormon elder to come speak to our youth group.  </strong>One of my youth pastor friends had a connection to an Ex-Mormon elder, Tom Hall.  Tom was a Christian, a bit older, and a very wise ex-Mormon elder.  He spoke at youth group and had many great stories about his eldership in the Mormon temple.  Tom wrote a book titled:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Chronicles-Deception-ex-Mormon-Biblical/dp/B0017UC230/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1312306280&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Mormon Chronicles of Deception:  An Ex- Mormon Elder&#8217;s Journey to Biblical Truth.</a>  Tom was awesome and totally connected with my students.  He gave each student his book for free and truly bestowed an inside perspective about Mormonism.  Tom initially got involved in Mormonism because he fell in love with a beautiful gal who was Mormon.  It took him a long time to be fully exposed to true Mormon theology, and he didn&#8217;t like what he learned or saw.  His journey back to Christ and Biblical truth was incredible and something the kids completely connected with.</p>
<p><strong>(6) Supply students will resources. </strong> A great historical book about Mormonism that I recommend to students was:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Story-Violent/dp/1400032806/ref=pd_sim_b_12" target="_blank">Under The Banner Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith</a>.  Dare 2 Share also has some great Mormon resources for students <a href="http://www.dare2share.org/worldviews/mormons/" target="_blank">here </a>and <a href="http://www.dare2share.org/top10/how-do-i-reach-mormons-for-christ/" target="_blank">here</a></p>
<p><strong>(7)</strong>  <strong>I committed to inviting Mormon missionaries into my home so I could learn from them and ask a lot of questions. </strong> I wanted to check out how much Mormon missionaries new about Mormonism.  I wanted to hear why they felt convinced to be Mormon.  I also was really curious about why evangelism and being on mission was so important and why they sacrificed 2 years of their lives to serve their district temples.</p>
<p><strong>(8)  I asked my students to keep befriending, loving and respecting Mormon students. </strong> I simply wanted my students to keep demonstrating the Kingdom of God.  I wanted to remind my students of the bigger Kingdom picture and not get confused as we explored Mormonism.  My hope is that all of my students will always be seeking Jesus and Truth while being the Kingdom of God here and now.</p>
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<p>Do you have a high Mormon population where you do youth ministry?</p>
<p>How do you deal with the growing influence of Mormonism in your youth group?</p>
<p>Are your students confused and drawn to Mormonism?</p>
<p>Do you agree or disagree that Mormons tend to do better ministry because of their strong inclusive community and character?</p>
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		<title>What Would Be Your Advice To Smart High School Seniors?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Zach</dc:creator>
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<p>Senior graduation has hit the youth ministry trenches.  Youth pastors are invited to a ton of grad parties, expected to give grad gifts, attend the ever so long grad ceremony, and speak words of affirmation to the graduates.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s say a youth worker is asked to speak at a &#8220;secular&#8221; senior graduation event and he/she is encouraged to give advice to the graduates right before they hit the real world.  The community and school see him/her as the &#8220;youth expert&#8221; and are expecting great practical advice.  The school and community respect and like the youth worker, however they made it very clear they don&#8217;t want any church/Jesus/God related stuff in the talk.  What advice should a youth worker give high school seniors in a secular context?</p>
<p><strong>My Advice To High School Seniors:</strong></p>
<p><em><strong>Friends</strong></em>-  Choose your friends wisely.  Seniors need to know that they are the average of the five people they spend the most time with. Surround yourself with people who are socially savvy, have a call, and know how to laugh.</p>
<p><em><strong>Learning</strong></em>-  Absorb everything.  Enjoy studying.  Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosophier, believed one of the highest level of pleasure was contemplation.  One of the two components that are fundamental to enjoy life and feel good about yourself is continually learning.  If you can’t find the type of mentors that you’re looking for in a person, find them through books and don’t rule out the latest and greatest.  Top 3 books every senior needs to read:  (1) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nicomachean-Ethics-Aristotle/dp/1557427704/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1306897946&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">Aristotle &#8211; Nicomachean Ethics</a> (2) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mere-Christianity-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652888/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1306898014&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">CS Lewis &#8211; Mere Christianity</a> (3) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Benjamin-Franklin-American-Walter-Isaacson/dp/074325807X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1306898043&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">Benjamin Franklin &#8211; An American Life</a></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight: normal;"><em><strong>Character</strong></em>-   Your character is everything!!  Your repetition either breaks you or helps you.  Character is like your credit rating.  Character takes years to build, but seconds to destroy.  Character is a testimony of formed habits. </span></strong></p>
<blockquote><p><strong><span style="font-weight: normal;">Good habits formed at youth make all the difference. </span></strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-weight: normal;">- Aristotle<br />
</span></strong></p></blockquote>
<p><em><strong>Serve</strong></em>-  The second component that is fundamental to enjoy life and feel good about yourself is serving.  Serve at a local church, homeless shelter, tutoring center, community center, local library, and/or retirement home.  Be intentional to volunteer for a non-profit.</p>
<p><em><strong>Travel</strong></em>- Every high school senior should take an extended trip outside of the USA. The only way to really have a sense of how the world works is to see it yourself.  Cultures matter.  Most American don&#8217;t travel.  Experience other traditions, music, climate, religions, people, languages, and foods.  Travel doesn&#8217;t have to be expensive and is very educational.  Also make sure to travel lightly.</p>
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<p>I believe youth pastors will need to get better at creatively communicating the Christian life to a generation that doesn&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s foot about the authority of the Bible, church, and Jesus.</p>
<p><strong>So what would you say to a smart unhcurched senior?  What topics and issues would you address in your talk?</strong></p>
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		<title>Top Ten Theological Questions Teens Ask:  Did The Resurrection Really Happen? (#2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 01:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>This may be a no-brainer for some youth workers, but I always found it helpful talking about the insane importance of the resurrection during the Easter season.  Personally, I don&#8217;t think any youth pastor can get bored talking about the resurrection.</p>
<p>In youth group, weeks leading up to Easter Sunday, I would talk about:</p>
<p>-  why the Resurrection is so central to the Christian faith</p>
<p>-  how the resurrection sent a shockwave in and through history</p>
<p>-  re-iterated the fact that the resurrection really happened</p>
<p>Some of my (more) skeptical students would challenge with &#8220;rumors&#8221; that claimed the resurrection was not REAL.  So I decided to compile 4 of the &#8220;most common rumors&#8221; student heard about the resurrection of Jesus.</p>
<p><strong>4 Rumors Skeptical Students Need To Put To Rest:</strong></p>
<p><strong>(4) The story of Jesus&#8217; resurrection is a lie.</strong></p>
<p>One must understand something about history, especially in the context of 1st century Jewish oral tradition. Many times, the historical records of certain major events like the Persian wars or the movement of Alexander the Great were given to us by only one source and took a while to record it. Even though we have so few sources that were written a long time after the event, no one really doubts the truth claims made in the historical documents that talk about the Persian wars and Alexander the Great. <strong>We have four Gospels, the New Testament writings, and references by non-Christian historical sources like Josephus and Tacitus that claim Jesus was alive, died, and rose again</strong>. It appears people are more likely to doubt the authenticity of Jesus&#8217; historical resurrection than they will doubt Alexander the Great legitimacy.  Also, many of the sources that talk about Jesus divine acts were written and documented less than 70 years post-Jesus&#8217; resurrection.  By the way this documentation is fast in comparison to other historical events.  The cool thing is, historians and theologians, have more ancient documents on the life of Jesus than any other important historical event.</p>
<p><em>Bottom line</em> the resurrection account developed in a very short amount of time.  There have been different elaborate lies that people have told about fantastic things happening in history that didn&#8217;t stand the test of time.  It seems the persecuted Christians would have confessed their &#8220;secret&#8221; about Jesus because of the intense pressure that was put on them to tell the truth.  But they didn&#8217;t.  They told the truth:  Jesus really resurrected.  The disciples carried their testimony to their death.</p>
<p>Its not that plausible that Jesus resurrection is a lie.</p>
<p><strong>(3) The Gospels seem to be contradictory.</strong></p>
<p>This is why youth pastors need to teach their students how to read the Bible for everything it is worth. Students need to know that when reading ancient written documents, aka the Bible, it can be very difficult to understand what one is reading without considering the appropriate context. If students are not careful when reading Scripture, they can possibly come to wrongful conclusions about Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because they didn&#8217;t have the tools and resources to properly understand Scripture.  Students must know they are reading a 1st century document that requires proper reading of the text.</p>
<p>The Gospels are 4 accounts of 1 situation.  And the beautiful thing is that the Gospels are wonderfully consistent in all of the main aspects of the story of Jesus&#8217; life, death, and resurrection.</p>
<p>For example, Jesus’ skeptic brother James along with the rest of Jesus’ brothers and sisters didn’t believe in Him. Believing in your bro was very insulting in 1st century Jewish culture, especially if your bro was a Rabbi. So why would all the Gospel writers comment on the skepticism among Jesus&#8217; brothers and sisters and make them look like fools?   The Jewish historian Josephus later tells us James was stoned to death for belief in his brother.</p>
<p>According to JP Moreland, five weeks after Jesus was crucified over 10, 000 Jews were following Him and claiming Him the initiator of THE WAY. These Jews literally abandoned their jobs, culture, and lives to a mission that required them to spread  a very specific and difficult message &#8211; aka- the Gospel. The WAY  triumphed over MANY competing ideologies and eventually overwhelmed the entire Roman Empire.  There’s no question the early Christian church started really soon after the death of Jesus and spread so quickly within a period of  twenty years.</p>
<p><em>The resurrection is so powerful it convinces a skeptic to become a loyal and passionate follower of Jesus that will literally compel him to sacrifice his life to advance the Gospel. </em></p>
<p><strong>(2) Modern people can no longer believe in &#8220;miracles&#8221; like the resurrection.</strong></p>
<p>Scientists are discovering that life is not as &#8220;black and white&#8221; as many logical minds would like to think. The universe is pretty complex and astrophysicists are not exactly sure why the universe is the way it is. Students have to admit that miracles can happen outside of science.  All science is not 100% accurate, which may imply there is an intelligent designer that had to intervene at some point during creation. Einstein concluded:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are two ways to live:  you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle</p></blockquote>
<p>A student cannot deny the possibility of miracles because he/she hasn&#8217;t experienced one.  It is very difficult to demonstrate how a human person removed a very heavy stone (all by himself) that barracked the tomb.  It would have taken several people to move the stone to open the tomb.  Dallas Willard in his book,  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Christ-Today-Spiritual-Knowledge/dp/0060882441/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1303173924&amp;sr=8-1">Knowing Christ Today</a> states:</p>
<blockquote><p>The physical universe is not a closed system.  Miracles are possible simply because of that fact.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>(1) Jesus was never seen alive again.</strong></p>
<p>There are many ancient sources, outside the New Testament, that (in my opinion) confirm the apostles’ conviction that they encountered the resurrected Christ.</p>
<p>In the New Testament we have 9 accounts that demonstrate Jesus&#8217; physical appearances:</p>
<p>1.  To Mary Magdalene, in John 20:10-18;</p>
<p>2.  To the other women, in Matthew 28:8-10;</p>
<p>3.  To Cleopas and another disciple on the road to Emmaus, in Luke 24:13-32;</p>
<p>4.  To eleven disciples and other, in Luke 24:33-49;</p>
<p>5.  To ten apostles and others, with Thomas absent, in John 20:19-23;</p>
<p>6.  To Thomas and the other apostles, in John 20:26-30;</p>
<p>7.  To seven apostles, in John 21:1-14;</p>
<p>8.  To the disciples, in Matthew 28:16-20</p>
<p>9.  And He was with the apostles at the Mount Of Olives before his ascension, in Luke 24:50-52 and Acts 1:4-9</p>
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<p>As a follower of Jesus, everything hangs on the resurrection. If the resurrection didn&#8217;t happen, then Christians would be in trouble.  Following Jesus would be pointless. <strong> Teaching about the resurrection to your student will shed light on the amazingness and profoundness of Jesus conquering death.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>** If you want read all 10 of the Top Ten Theological Questions Teens Ask <a href="http://www.reyouthpastor.com/category/theology/tense-theological-topics/">click here</a></strong></p>
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		<title>The Triune God</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Zach</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will try my best to explain who God is as He has revealed Himself in Scripture, as the one true, living, and Trinitarian God.  Remember the goal of REYouthPastor.com is to tackle deep theological topics so youth pastors can understand them and communicate them to their students. ]]></description>
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<p>The Triune God</p>
<blockquote><p>NIV 2 Corinthians 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Augustine said:  if you deny the Trinity you lose your soul, but if you try to explain it you lose mind.</em></p>
<p>I (who is seminary trained, which doesn&#8217;t really mean anything) will try my best to explain who God is as He has revealed Himself in Scripture, as the one true, living, and Trinitarian God.  Remember one of the targets of the REYouthPastor.com website is to tackle deep theological topics so youth pastors can understand why it is important to teach doctrine to our students. It is our hope to make our youth sermons, youth ministry teachings and lessons more theological and not so topical.  Imagine how cool it would be if youth ministries across the USA started teaching and preaching on the Trinity Doctrine.</p>
<p>The word Trinity was coined by Tertullian in the 1<sup>st</sup> century. The Trinity is:  One God who eternally exists as three distinct equal persons, Father, Son, Spirit, who are each fully and equally God.  The Trinitarian God idea is one essence, three persons.</p>
<p>The Trinity isn’t in the Bible, so why do our student need to know about the ancient doctrine of the Trinity?</p>
<p><strong>Trinity Doctrine Development</strong></p>
<p>In the first three centuries, there was much attack on monotheism and Christ&#8217;s Deity.  The Trinity correctly explains the heritage of monotheism, the confession of Jesus’ lordship, and the experience of the presence of the Holy Spirit.  Basically there is one God, Jesus is Lord and human, and the Holy Spirit is active and present in our world.</p>
<h2><strong>Godhead is…</strong></h2>
<p>God is one</p>
<p>God is three</p>
<p>God is diversity</p>
<p>God is unity</p>
<p><strong>Possible analogies for the Trinity:</strong></p>
<ol>
<li> H20 = Ice, water, steam—three modes in which the one chemical formula can appear.</li>
<li>Tree = Root, trunk, and branch</li>
<li>Egg = yolk, eggwhite, and shell</li>
<li>Threeheaded dog = Three heads, one dog</li>
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<p>**Remember these analogies are helpful but are majorly flawed.</p>
<p>It seems like Catholics focus on the<strong> Father</strong>, Evangelicals focus on <strong>Jesus</strong>, and the Pentecostals focus on the <strong>Holy Spirit</strong>.  <em>How can our youth ministries become more Trinitarian?</em></p>
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<p><strong>What is the Trinitarian life for a student?</strong> <strong> </strong></p>
<p>1.  Relational</p>
<p>2. Transparent</p>
<p>3. Communal</p>
<p>4. Humble</p>
<p>5. Submissive</p>
<p>6. Joyful</p>
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<p><strong>Youth Group Discussion Questions:</strong></p>
<p>Consider the following scriptures: 2 Chr. 15:3, Jer 10:10, John 17:3, 1 Thess. 1:9. What does this tell about the nature of God?</p>
<p>What is the implication of this truth for other religions and gods?</p>
<p>There are many scriptures that declare that the Father( Jn. 6:27, 1 Peter 1:3), the Son (Rom. 9:5, Gal 4:4) and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 3:16-18) are God. How is this reconciled with the statements of one God through scriptures like Gen. 1:26, 3:22, Is. 6:8?</p>
<p>What does it mean that the Father, Son and Spirit are distinct persons?</p>
<p>How does Matt. 3:16-17 support the distinct personhood of the Father, Son and Spirit?</p>
<p><strong>Why does this matter?</strong></p>
<p>Why is the Trinity an essential doctrine to Christian faith?</p>
<p>Why is it important to understand the nature of God as he has revealed Himself?</p>
<p>How do you relate and pray to God the Father? The Son? The Spirit?</p>
<p>What does a Trinitarian life look like for you personally?</p>
<p>What aspects of the Trinity (community, relationship, submission…etc) are missing from your life?</p>
<p>How is God calling you to worship Him in light of His Trinitarian nature?</p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>God is joyful.  God isn’t this big old bad wolf in the sky waiting for us to mess up.  Why?  In the Trinity there is equality, there is no lying, no disrespect, no secrets, no hiding, no blaming just love!!  Perfect love, intimacy, connection, submission, and adoration!</p>
<p><strong>The Trinity agreed to save us!  God made the world, Jesus agreed to come down, and the Spirit is with us.<br />
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		<title>Youth Pastor Standards:  Talking About The Wrath of God?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Zach</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Small Town Youth Pastor has been really loud about critiquing the fire and brimstone type of youth ministries.  Thankfully, God has been doing some work on me and I am trying to develop a healthy view on how to communicate the bad news about the good news of Jesus Christ.]]></description>
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<p>According to JI Packer, a study of the concordance will show that there are more references in Scripture to the anger, fury, and wrath of God, than there are to His love and tenderness.</p>
<p>In this post I will deal with these questions:</p>
<p>1.  <em>How do we maintain a strong commitment to evangelism, without having to scare people? </em></p>
<p><em>2. </em><em>Love has multiple meanings so how do we effectively communicate the true essence of God’s character? </em></p>
<p><em>3. </em><em>How often during the past year did you talk about the wrath of God?</em></p>
<p>Finally, what are the standards for when youth pastors want to talk about the Wrath of God:<em><br />
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<p>1.  Adopt the Oreo cookie approach.</p>
<p>When having the wrath of God conversation it is imperative you have a solid and honest relationship with the students and you are demonstrating love and compassion.  Essentially be incarnational.  When God gives you the opportunity start by affirming &#8212;&gt; then deliver the wrath of God punch  &#8212;&gt; and follow up with gentleness<em>. </em>The white filling represents the wrath of God part.  When having hard conversations always think Oreo cookie.  Two compliments and one complaint.<em> </em></p>
<p><em>2.</em> 60/40.  <em><br />
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<p>60% of your youth ministry should be bathed in grace, love, forgiveness, while the other 40% embrace rebuking and repenting.  Youth pastors need to remember that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance.</p>
<p>3.  The Wrath of God is one of the attributes of God.</p>
<p>The wrath of God is not THE ONLY attribute of God&#8217;s character, it is one of the many.  Jonathan Edwards’s has a famous sermon titled:  “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”.  Bottom line:  the wrath of God talk should be one of the many talks we convey to the youth.</p>
<p>4. We need to remember that there is more to God&#8217;s message than ONLY receiving our fire proof insurance card.</p>
<p><em>5.  The wrath of God motivates students to live a right and pure life. </em></p>
<p><strong>Psalm 119:71 </strong> <sup>71</sup> It was good for me to be afflicted so that I might learn your decrees.  We worship a God of Justice who likes to kick butt.  If we are being lazy, unmotivated, complacent, and lukewarm we are becoming comfortable.  Paul talks about how we need to work our faith with fear and trembling.  Bottom line we need to be doing stuff.  Faith without works is dead.</p>
<p>I think youth pastors need to have a healthy value of presenting other God attributes to our students.  Honestly, I think our 21st century postmodern students have the love, grace, and compassionate thing down real well.</p>
<p>My only hope is that youth pastors talk about the wrath of God every once in a while.  It is problematic if youth pastors are ignoring the wrath of God talk because of their insecurities and jadedness.  It may be kind of healthy if students get their butt kicked every once in a while.  : )<em><br />
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